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lamarmarani.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: CA18DET cold start Reply with quote

Does anyone know how the cold start map is used on the CA18DET ECU? I need to reduce the fuelling during warm up in my application.

I think the enrichment table is at 3EB0-3EBF in the ROM - does anyone know the temperature for each value?

Apparently theres the temp sensor calibration table at 39E0-39FF, where the value in each cell is the temp in deg C - 50 - i.e. temperature = (value in cell - 50)

I'm guessing I'll need to reduce the values in the enrichment table, but it'd be good to know the temperature that each cell represents.
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Sileightysx



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

16 byte water temperature based tables are -40 to 110 Deg.C. in steps of 10 Deg.C.
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lamarmarani.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent - thanks a lot Smile
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Sileightysx



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that 3EB0-3EBF is TKAS starting additions.

3EE0-3EFF is TKTW warm up additions. Scale is based on water temp. it should be the same as 16byte tables except 5 Deg.C. increments iirc.


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lamarmarani.



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah right - I'll try changing both and see what happens.

Any idea why neither map has zeros when the engine is up to temp?
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LMQT



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please, could you explain "TKAS" and "TKTW" and "iirc" ? Razz
Thanks Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iirc is just "If I Remember Correctly"
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Sileightysx



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LMQT wrote:
Please, could you explain "TKAS" and "TKTW" and "iirc" ? Razz
Thanks Wink


From CA18DET FSM:





So TKAS would be <Fuel increase> 2) When starting engine, and TKTW would be <Fuel increase> 1) During warm-up.
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LMQT



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sileightysx wrote:
16 byte water temperature based tables are -40 to 110 Deg.C. in steps of 10 Deg.C.
sure about that ?
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Sileightysx



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LMQT wrote:
Sileightysx wrote:
16 byte water temperature based tables are -40 to 110 Deg.C. in steps of 10 Deg.C.
sure about that ?


Yes
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openloop



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If sensor goes from 0 to 5v

Voltage VS temp correction goes from 0 to 255.

you do value -50 and temps go from -50 to 205

How do you know enrichment table goes from -40 to 110 and not -50 to 205 ?
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cb_drift



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two things Smile
a) could someone copy the fsm page to disk and then upload it using the attachment function in the forums - i get asked for a username and password to view the pic - im guessing other people do as well Smile

b) the range -50 -> 110 in 10 deg steps gives you 16 steps - normal table size. also these steps are a range - not an absolute - so if you are at -60deg - you use the setting calibration for -50deg - and why would you want to live there anyway? You dont? no need to worry Smile same if you go over 110deg - it will use the calibration for 110deg for anything over it - at that temp your engine is cooked anyway - it wont be running (and if it is - it wont be for long)
if you calculations say you cant get an exact -50 deg - ass its all interpolated anyway - it wont matter if the calibration is out 1 or 2 deg - as the compensation tables will correct that anyway - the whole car is tuned around the calibration maps - so the end result is what matters - not the values on the maps - (otherwise the fuel tables would like up to real world af ratios when you convert them from the factory maps - it doesn't take much to make them correct like that ....)
hope this helps
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openloop



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I see what you mean, no problem,

But my question was how do you know range is -40 110 and not -30 120 or -50 100 or anything else.

I ask you because if I want to ajust around 0° range, I must know where to locate it in the table, maybe you experienced it yourself by tuning this vector step by step while monitoring you water temp. Just tell me.

Thanks Wink
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cb_drift



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fsm mentions it somewhere and hardware trace shows me with consult what is being read and what the water temp is for it...
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openloop



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, many thanks! Wink
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