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lamarmarani.
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 51
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: CA18DET cold start |
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Does anyone know how the cold start map is used on the CA18DET ECU? I need to reduce the fuelling during warm up in my application.
I think the enrichment table is at 3EB0-3EBF in the ROM - does anyone know the temperature for each value?
Apparently theres the temp sensor calibration table at 39E0-39FF, where the value in each cell is the temp in deg C - 50 - i.e. temperature = (value in cell - 50)
I'm guessing I'll need to reduce the values in the enrichment table, but it'd be good to know the temperature that each cell represents. |
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Sileightysx
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| 16 byte water temperature based tables are -40 to 110 Deg.C. in steps of 10 Deg.C. |
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lamarmarani.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent - thanks a lot  |
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Sileightysx
Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 22
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:03 am Post subject: |
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I believe that 3EB0-3EBF is TKAS starting additions.
3EE0-3EFF is TKTW warm up additions. Scale is based on water temp. it should be the same as 16byte tables except 5 Deg.C. increments iirc.
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lamarmarani.
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Ah right - I'll try changing both and see what happens.
Any idea why neither map has zeros when the engine is up to temp? |
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LMQT

Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 144 Location: France
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Please, could you explain "TKAS" and "TKTW" and "iirc" ?
Thanks  _________________ 200SX RS13 Zenki (w. CA18DET)
280hp & 330Nm @ 16PSI (GT25R) |
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datsunboy
Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 209 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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iirc is just "If I Remember Correctly" _________________ 1970 Datsun 1600 CA18DET Project
The point of life is not 2 arrive at your grave all preserved & in mint condition, but 2 slide in sideways, scratched & bruised screaming F**K WHAT A RIDE!! |
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Sileightysx
Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 22
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| LMQT wrote: | Please, could you explain "TKAS" and "TKTW" and "iirc" ?
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From CA18DET FSM:
So TKAS would be <Fuel increase> 2) When starting engine, and TKTW would be <Fuel increase> 1) During warm-up. |
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LMQT

Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 144 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Sileightysx wrote: | | 16 byte water temperature based tables are -40 to 110 Deg.C. in steps of 10 Deg.C. | sure about that ? _________________ 200SX RS13 Zenki (w. CA18DET)
280hp & 330Nm @ 16PSI (GT25R) |
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Sileightysx
Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 22
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| LMQT wrote: | | Sileightysx wrote: | | 16 byte water temperature based tables are -40 to 110 Deg.C. in steps of 10 Deg.C. | sure about that ? |
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openloop
Joined: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 81
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: |
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If sensor goes from 0 to 5v
Voltage VS temp correction goes from 0 to 255.
you do value -50 and temps go from -50 to 205
How do you know enrichment table goes from -40 to 110 and not -50 to 205 ? |
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cb_drift
Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 472 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Two things
a) could someone copy the fsm page to disk and then upload it using the attachment function in the forums - i get asked for a username and password to view the pic - im guessing other people do as well
b) the range -50 -> 110 in 10 deg steps gives you 16 steps - normal table size. also these steps are a range - not an absolute - so if you are at -60deg - you use the setting calibration for -50deg - and why would you want to live there anyway? You dont? no need to worry same if you go over 110deg - it will use the calibration for 110deg for anything over it - at that temp your engine is cooked anyway - it wont be running (and if it is - it wont be for long)
if you calculations say you cant get an exact -50 deg - ass its all interpolated anyway - it wont matter if the calibration is out 1 or 2 deg - as the compensation tables will correct that anyway - the whole car is tuned around the calibration maps - so the end result is what matters - not the values on the maps - (otherwise the fuel tables would like up to real world af ratios when you convert them from the factory maps - it doesn't take much to make them correct like that ....)
hope this helps |
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openloop
Joined: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 81
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, I see what you mean, no problem,
But my question was how do you know range is -40 110 and not -30 120 or -50 100 or anything else.
I ask you because if I want to ajust around 0° range, I must know where to locate it in the table, maybe you experienced it yourself by tuning this vector step by step while monitoring you water temp. Just tell me.
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cb_drift
Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 472 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| fsm mentions it somewhere and hardware trace shows me with consult what is being read and what the water temp is for it... |
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openloop
Joined: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 81
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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OK, many thanks!  |
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