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krawczuk
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 Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: 180sx ca18det and 200sx ca18det eproms the same ? |
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hi, as the title says, any body know if the eprom from the 180sx ca18 det is the same as ( 27c???) the 200sx ca18det ?
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datsunboy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: |
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the chips themselves will be the same ( 27C128 )....but the info on them will be slightly different
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LMQT
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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180SX is the name in Japan and 200SX in Europe for the same car, this one :
If they have the same engine, they are the same car 
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wayside
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| I've tried using a 180sx ca18det ecu in a 200sx ca18det. The car ran extremely rough. I tried taking the chip from the jap ecu and putting it into the euro ecu and vice verca but it was a no go. Then I tried swapping the daughterboards and both were no go. I think it pays to get the right ecu for the car (jap for jap, euro for euro) Now I'm going aftermarket ecu, hopefully solving all problems. cheers. |
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datsunboy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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what daughter board?
the only "daughter board" that CA's have, is a board used for the knock sensor. changing that wont do you any good.
the 180SX and 200SX are not the same
the Euro CA18 has 4 inlet runners in the manifold, and no butterflies, and the jap CA18 has 8 ports. with butterflies in 4 of them.
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wayside
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| Cheers mate. It's amazing what we DON'T know, ha. I Didn't think changing the daughterboard would make any difference but I thought I'd experiment for myself. Once again cheers. |
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LMQT
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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180SX and 200SX ARE the same => S13 or RS13 for their VIN code
As I said, one is the "europeen" name, and the other is for Japan.
I don't speak about american 200SX wich is a totaly different car.
ECU from [R]S13 are the same too if the cars have a CA18DET engine. Same thing for the EPROM.
Only the prog in the EPROM is different beetwen jap and euro versions.
Different essentialy for :
- plenum butterfly and solenoid
- timing wich is 10°BTDC in Japan and 15° everywhere
- fuel map because iso-octane 110 in Japan and between 95 and 100 elsewhere.
You can put a jap prog in a europeen S13 and "vice-versa" but you'll have irregular idle and you can break your europeen engine due to jap prog.
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datsunboy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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as you say.....200SX in USA is different to a 180SX.....same in NZ too!
We have japanese 180SX, and japanese 200SX here.
they have slightly different body shape, and different tail lights.
Depending on year, some had CA, and some had SR.
sure its the same chassis, but its not the same car.
thats like saying the new skylines and maxima's are the same car just cause the share the same chassis
what is a 200SX in USA?
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LMQT
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| datsunboy wrote: | as you say.....200SX in USA is different to a 180SX.....same in NZ too!
We have japanese 180SX, and japanese 200SX here.
they have slightly different body shape, and different tail lights.
Depending on year, some had CA, and some had SR.
sure its the same chassis, but its not the same car.
thats like saying the new skylines and maxima's are the same car just cause the share the same chassis
what is a 200SX in USA? |
For the 180SX/200SX, as I said, it's just for the S13 and RS13 (the first serie, Zenki) :
The models are differents for the PS13 and RPS13 which have the SR20DET in Japan (second and third series). This engine has never been installed in the europeen version of the 200SX S13 : only two series in Europe, but only with the CA18DET.
Chuki (2nd) :
Kouki (the last) :
The 200SX with the SR20DET was called 200SX S14 in Europe, then S14a for the second :
 
In USA, the 200SX is a Sentra (named Lucina in Japan) two-door (VIN-code=B14) with a GA16DE or a SR20DE :
 
More informations on my website http://silviars13.free.fr/historique_slivia.htm for those who understand french
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wayside
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| datsunboy wrote: | as you say.....200SX in USA is different to a 180SX.....same in NZ too!
We have japanese 180SX, and japanese 200SX here.
they have slightly different body shape, and different tail lights.
Depending on year, some had CA, and some had SR.
sure its the same chassis, but its not the same car.
thats like saying the new skylines and maxima's are the same car just cause the share the same chassis
what is a 200SX in USA? |
I don't think there is such thing as a japanese 200sx. The japanese s13's are called 180sx. The Euro s13's are called 200sx. The Japanese s14's are called silvia ks and the euro s14s are called 200sx. Thats in New Zealand anyway. |
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sideways danny
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| Euro and JDM CA18DET bin files are slightly different. Euro ECU doesn't seem to have the knock maps active, and there's also instruction to run the butterfly vacuum controller. Jap bin Will work in a Euro ECU though, I have one running now |
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LMQT
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| wayside wrote: | | datsunboy wrote: | as you say.....200SX in USA is different to a 180SX.....same in NZ too!
We have japanese 180SX, and japanese 200SX here.
they have slightly different body shape, and different tail lights.
Depending on year, some had CA, and some had SR.
sure its the same chassis, but its not the same car.
thats like saying the new skylines and maxima's are the same car just cause the share the same chassis
what is a 200SX in USA? |
I don't think there is such thing as a japanese 200sx. The japanese s13's are called 180sx. The Euro s13's are called 200sx. The Japanese s14's are called silvia ks and the euro s14s are called 200sx. Thats in New Zealand anyway. |
I agree with you except for the jap' S14 : they are also called S14 in Japan (or sometimes just "Silvia" of course).
K's (and Q's and J's) are for the options : K's are full options and w. turbo, Q's the intermediate and J's basic model wo. turbo.
K's = the king's car
Q's = the Queen's car
J's = the Jack's car
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datsunboy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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haha, a 200SX sentra.....you guys got shafted!
the SX, and the silvia are 2 different body shapes in NZ.
SX being the hatchback style, and silvia being the more sedan style (still 2 door tho), that being true for both S13 and S14
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wayside
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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[quote="datsunboy"]haha, a 200SX sentra.....you guys got shafted!
I recon!!!!! haha |
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Nunook
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a Norris Designs (Euro chip) running my jap ca18det. I do have my butterflys disabled (vacuum lines) and I would check the ignition timing on the car after u change the chips. I think the euro prog. has more advanced base timing. |
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